I thought that i was going to just stop posting about Aj Drew,, But i decided against it. I may not post as much as i would on Gavin and Yvonnes blog The Dancing Wiccans. But personally im not one to just let shit drop . I WILL follow this to its conclusion. So Please enjoy the next installment of idiocy from Aj Drew and Lord Archaeus
2007
Wicca - what is in a word?
The Frosts are a part of Wicca, like it or not. I love this guy. He’s big, hairless, bearded, and sexy. Just like me. Seriously, he is great. No, I don’t agree with everything (or anyone else) says but damn it is good to hear someone speaking his mind now a days. Yep, I said hear… see too. Here are some of his blog entries complete with video a la Youtube.com inserts.
The Frosts as teaching Pedophilia
The Frosts as Homophobes
I do not think the Frosts started or invented Wicca. I do not even think they created the first school of Wicca. It seems to me Dr. Buckland studied via a mail order course from Gerald Gardner prior to the Frosts mail order course. I do not even think the Frost’s version of Wicca resembles the rest of the world’s Wicca enough to be rightfully called Wicca. But they do seem to be the first to use the word in their acquiring a tax-exempt status from the IRS.
So the man in this video is right. The Frosts are a part of Wicca. They are part of the history of Wicca. And there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about that. In fact, if someone were to create a White Supremacist tradition of Wicca, there is nothing you or I could do about that. Why? Well, there is no central authority to Wicca.
Some time ago, a crazed homophobe was appointed to the head of Seax Wicca. In Dr. Raymond Buckland’s tradition, that position is not something there is a provision to withdraw. As I understand the events, when Dr. Raymond Buckland was contacted concerning the man he appointed, he agreed that the man was not right for the position, apologized for not being aware of the mans homophobia before appointing him, but added that there was little he could do about it. Instead of doing nothing, Seax Wiccan’s raised a petition and awareness. Essentially, they drove the man from their tradition by making it perfectly clear that the overwhelming majority of Seax Wiccans.
Can that be done to the Frosts? Sure. It cold be done if enough Wiccans rose against them. If virtually the whole of the Wiccan community were to say no, these people are not part of Wicca, then they would effectively not be a part of Wicca. But that would not remove them from the history of Wicca any more than the rise in Seax Wicca removed the homophobic figure head from its history. In fact, as very little has been done in this direction for so many years, the amount of history the Frosts have with the word Wicca is not possible to deny. This has not been some passing fancy. This is author after author publishing book after book which have not only ignored the problem, but which have praised the Frosts.
Example: Despite Raven Grimassi explaining that he did not write the section on the Frosts in his Encyclopedia of Wicca and Witchcraft, the book spends a page and a half praising the Frosts and declaring them almost the inventors of Wicca. Was it Raven Grimassi’s fault? I do not think that it matters. Oh sure, that is what is being argued by Raven Grimassi, that he did not write the book he just put his name on it and is thus exempt from blaim. But that is not the point at all. The point is that the book exists, that one of today’s authors, in one of today’s books, appears to have no problem what so ever with what the Frosts have written and instructed, with the fact that they claim those instructions were the very foundation of Wicca.
With Raven Grimassi’s opinion being the predominant opinion among today’s Wiccan authors, perhaps it would be easier to remove ourselves from the word Wicca rather than the Frosts from that word. I am not proposing anyone change their spiritual practices, but maybe it is time Wiccans realize that if there is no central authority to our religion, if there is no definition to the word Wicca, then using that word for the purpose of describing ones self is counter productive.
Oh, you are Wiccan? So did you rape your children?
So mote it be,A.J. Drew
Topics: De-Frost - Child Molestion
3 Responses to “Wicca - what is in a word?”
gina Says: October 18th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that they or their words bear no merit or value thus rendering them useless IMO. What does 1 do with useless things???..Toss’em into the trash and FORGET them. One of these days frosts will be a distant nasty memory that was once associated with the name Wicca..If we could get a petition going, I would be the first to sign. The question is how would we go about it? I’m damn sure their minions would not go silently into the night over that..Let’s face it..some of those people are not well in the head, You, yourself had a front row seat to attest to that..Some times to lend our thoughts to negitive things/people will give them energy to grow more….sort of a tulpa in a way..all this energy is adding to the Frosts infamy..How much do you want to bet their books sales have gone up?? not because people want to learn, but because people want to see for themselves the words that the frosts have written concerning the sexual initiation of children as a form of ritual.( sick, I know). As I sit here typing I’m getting a brain storm. unbelievable..how my mind works at times..but I may need you help and advice on this later..if possible..for now work calls..but do you know where I can get a prog that will superimpose a red circle with a line thru it on a picture?..pm me if you do..
gina Says: October 18th, 2007 at 8:37 am
it’s called the universal no sign.. and I found it….
A.J. Drew Says: October 18th, 2007 at 10:55 am
I can do it with drawing / graphic programs that I have, but its not automatic. Not hard, just not automatic. Would be a great program though.
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Wicca - what is in a word?
The Frosts are a part of Wicca, like it or not. I love this guy. He’s big, hairless, bearded, and sexy. Just like me. Seriously, he is great. No, I don’t agree with everything (or anyone else) says but damn it is good to hear someone speaking his mind now a days. Yep, I said hear… see too. Here are some of his blog entries complete with video a la Youtube.com inserts.
The Frosts as teaching Pedophilia
The Frosts as Homophobes
I do not think the Frosts started or invented Wicca. I do not even think they created the first school of Wicca. It seems to me Dr. Buckland studied via a mail order course from Gerald Gardner prior to the Frosts mail order course. I do not even think the Frost’s version of Wicca resembles the rest of the world’s Wicca enough to be rightfully called Wicca. But they do seem to be the first to use the word in their acquiring a tax-exempt status from the IRS.
So the man in this video is right. The Frosts are a part of Wicca. They are part of the history of Wicca. And there is absolutely nothing you or I can do about that. In fact, if someone were to create a White Supremacist tradition of Wicca, there is nothing you or I could do about that. Why? Well, there is no central authority to Wicca.
Some time ago, a crazed homophobe was appointed to the head of Seax Wicca. In Dr. Raymond Buckland’s tradition, that position is not something there is a provision to withdraw. As I understand the events, when Dr. Raymond Buckland was contacted concerning the man he appointed, he agreed that the man was not right for the position, apologized for not being aware of the mans homophobia before appointing him, but added that there was little he could do about it. Instead of doing nothing, Seax Wiccan’s raised a petition and awareness. Essentially, they drove the man from their tradition by making it perfectly clear that the overwhelming majority of Seax Wiccans.
Can that be done to the Frosts? Sure. It cold be done if enough Wiccans rose against them. If virtually the whole of the Wiccan community were to say no, these people are not part of Wicca, then they would effectively not be a part of Wicca. But that would not remove them from the history of Wicca any more than the rise in Seax Wicca removed the homophobic figure head from its history. In fact, as very little has been done in this direction for so many years, the amount of history the Frosts have with the word Wicca is not possible to deny. This has not been some passing fancy. This is author after author publishing book after book which have not only ignored the problem, but which have praised the Frosts.
Example: Despite Raven Grimassi explaining that he did not write the section on the Frosts in his Encyclopedia of Wicca and Witchcraft, the book spends a page and a half praising the Frosts and declaring them almost the inventors of Wicca. Was it Raven Grimassi’s fault? I do not think that it matters. Oh sure, that is what is being argued by Raven Grimassi, that he did not write the book he just put his name on it and is thus exempt from blaim. But that is not the point at all. The point is that the book exists, that one of today’s authors, in one of today’s books, appears to have no problem what so ever with what the Frosts have written and instructed, with the fact that they claim those instructions were the very foundation of Wicca.
With Raven Grimassi’s opinion being the predominant opinion among today’s Wiccan authors, perhaps it would be easier to remove ourselves from the word Wicca rather than the Frosts from that word. I am not proposing anyone change their spiritual practices, but maybe it is time Wiccans realize that if there is no central authority to our religion, if there is no definition to the word Wicca, then using that word for the purpose of describing ones self is counter productive.
Oh, you are Wiccan? So did you rape your children?
So mote it be,A.J. Drew
Topics: De-Frost - Child Molestion
3 Responses to “Wicca - what is in a word?”
gina Says: October 18th, 2007 at 8:34 am
I’ve pretty much come to the conclusion that they or their words bear no merit or value thus rendering them useless IMO. What does 1 do with useless things???..Toss’em into the trash and FORGET them. One of these days frosts will be a distant nasty memory that was once associated with the name Wicca..If we could get a petition going, I would be the first to sign. The question is how would we go about it? I’m damn sure their minions would not go silently into the night over that..Let’s face it..some of those people are not well in the head, You, yourself had a front row seat to attest to that..Some times to lend our thoughts to negitive things/people will give them energy to grow more….sort of a tulpa in a way..all this energy is adding to the Frosts infamy..How much do you want to bet their books sales have gone up?? not because people want to learn, but because people want to see for themselves the words that the frosts have written concerning the sexual initiation of children as a form of ritual.( sick, I know). As I sit here typing I’m getting a brain storm. unbelievable..how my mind works at times..but I may need you help and advice on this later..if possible..for now work calls..but do you know where I can get a prog that will superimpose a red circle with a line thru it on a picture?..pm me if you do..
gina Says: October 18th, 2007 at 8:37 am
it’s called the universal no sign.. and I found it….
A.J. Drew Says: October 18th, 2007 at 10:55 am
I can do it with drawing / graphic programs that I have, but its not automatic. Not hard, just not automatic. Would be a great program though.
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So there ya have it.. more from the Drewbies
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So he really is going to try and create his own form of Paganism. Hm. Maybe that's been the catalyst for this whole piece of work from the beginning. Well, whatever. I know a lot of the book reviews I read said his brand of Wicca was like nothing anyone else knew as Wicca - which I find ironic, considering some of the accusations he did make against Gavin and Yvonne.
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